Sathnam Sanghera

Yeah.

And then they sort of...

Haven't got the right terminology off the top of my head But yeah, and you saw it recently the George was put into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and McGwell Yeah, one of my favorite modern artists sang careless whisper with a saxophone and the saxophone player Butchered it it was so bad.

That's because it's hard to play.

I also imagine being 20 and having only recorded eight songs and sacking Jerry Wexler.

You know, I think it was called The Father of R&B.

Going now, I think I'll do my own version.

Imagine if Ed Sheeran did that, he'd be laughed out.

It's important to say that he never said that his voice sounded black or even he never claimed the title of soul singer for himself.

But he won some very important black music awards in the late 80s and it caused a huge controversy about cultural appropriation.

I think the solution to that is to just say, look,

He wasn't white or black.

He was just a very soulful pop singer.

And I think it does go back to him being the child of an immigrant.

I do think that if you're a child of an immigrant, you absorb culture differently in that there aren't so many people around you telling you what's tasteful and what isn't.

And you have a kind of innocence to the way you absorb all music.

And I mean, there's a long history of the children of immigrants working with black musicians.

But George definitely, I think he talked about how his first two records was a record by Tom Jones and a record by the Supremes.

And he said his voice ended up somewhere in between, you know, and

And the other thing is that so many black musicians wanted to work with him, which says it all.