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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Satnam, welcome to Waterstones first of all. Thanks for having me. If we had gone to the same school, I would have been the Prince fan in the year above you. And I know why I became a Prince fan. I want to know why you became a George Michael fan first of all. What was it that got you into his music and made you fall in love with it?
Prince, I would have also loved. Great. There was no Prince fans in my school either. Okay. We could have been friends. George Michael... First of all, my sisters were really into Andrew and George when I was young, and I was the youngest in the family. So I kind of contracted it like COVID, you know?
Chapter 2: Why did Sathnam Sanghera become a George Michael fan?
But they lost interest in him, and I carried on. And I think it was... He's very sensitive lyrics. He was like... He was clearly depressed. Yeah. But not as depressed as Morrissey, which is where my mood was. Yeah. And also, I just had a... I've got a thing for anyone who could do something that I can't, and I cannot sing. I just...
I've always thought he had the most beautiful voice, one of the best pop voices of all time. I would think Aretha Franklin and Marvin Gaye were probably better. But I think he's one of the top five best vocalists ever.
In the pantheon, that's where you're putting him. I was actually talking to a bookseller earlier, and I asked whether he was a George Michael fan, and he absolutely was. And I asked what it was, and he again said it was about the voice. just the most incredible voice.
And he said that he didn't really feel like he'd died because he just listens to the music all the time and it's sort of always there.
Yeah, and his voice carried this kind of simultaneous happiness and sadness. Like, Last Christmas has been covered hundreds of times. I've listened to almost every cover in the middle of August for the book. And almost every cover is crap. Even Taylor Swift's version, even though she's famous at sad songs. And it's because they all lack his vocal.
which is kind of so melancholic over a happy tune. And actually an overtly positive sentiment. It's actually really sad. He's actually saying something quite complicated. He's saying, I found someone great, but actually I still got a thing for you. That's quite a complex thing. And he conveys it all through his voice.
We will touch on his voice later. I was sort of intrigued by a sort of passing anecdote in the book, which is to do with his own school days. At the age of eight, he apparently fell down some stairs at school, banged his head on a metal radiator and sort of woke up literally a changed person, no longer interested in all the sort of fripperies of childhood, obsessed with music and with singing.
Is that right?
Yeah, he went from being obsessed with insects to being obsessed with music.
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Chapter 3: What makes George Michael's voice unique?
Lots of books about his gossipy books about his love life and the way he died and so on, but nothing taking him seriously as an artist.
It's interesting that he had that sort of controlled approach to the construction of the music. Why do you think, or do you have any sort of sense of where, we'll talk about his control freakery because there are some amazing examples of it, but do you have any sense of where it came from?
Because he could have hired the greatest, and did in fact hire the greatest session musicians, any one of whom could have played the instrumentation on those records, but he didn't do that. He kept playing it himself and putting it together himself. Do you have any sense of where that sort of control freak nature comes from?
I think there's two things. I think one thing is that by playing it himself, sometimes in a slightly inexpert way, like chopsticks, it meant all the emphasis was on his voice. And he understood the magic of his music was that voice. In a way, he didn't need instruments. It was all there. Imagine if I had that voice, I would just sing to myself constantly, you know?
But more fundamentally, his childhood, I think he had a very authoritarian father. And he had to fight him like every step of the way to become the person he wanted to become. And he never stopped fighting. You know, he fought everyone. He just and it was mostly positive, but sometimes it could be negative.
The way you were talking there about his voice, you make really clear in the book that the voice really for him was an instrument and the attention to detail and how he uses his voice is quite hard to understand unless you really pick it apart.
But a lot of people who are in the book talk about how he's imparting rhythm and feeling and all sorts of percussive elements just through how he's using his voice. Is that something that I suppose as a listener, that you have to just let wash over you and realise that that's why it sounds so good? Or do you now listen to it very technically and hear all those things?
I was worried about writing a book about George. I thought that I would, at the end of it, not like him as much. But actually, understanding it makes me appreciate it much more. So I think about... His songs. And I think, you know what? There's almost none of his songs that are purely happy or purely sad. Take one. Say Fast Love. That's like just a dance floor banger.
It's all about wanting to sleep with people and have a one night stand. But also there's grief in it. It's about losing someone. There's real deep sadness. And then you listen to a song like Jesus Child, which is about grief. And it's also a real celebration. There's moments of real happiness in it. And that was George. He could get both of those moods.
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Chapter 4: How did George Michael's childhood influence his music?
It was basically George, the video director, and his sister. You know, this became an iconic look. And he did that himself. The font on the front of the Faith album, he decided that he wanted to resemble that, the font of Chanel. The cymbals, I think there was a graphic agency that came up with 20 examples. He hated them all, so he just drew them himself.
He played almost everything on all the songs, wrote it, produced it, arranged most of it, and it became one of the biggest albums of all time. It's quite something. You've got to remember, he was in his mid-20s at this point. He was a very young man. barely out of his teens, really. And he was doing all of this. It was kind of miraculous, really.
Prince, who of course I was obsessed with, is very famous for being able to play all those instruments, produce himself, sing, put everything together. And yet, as you say, George seemed to be very reticent about giving that sort of impression about himself and his musicality. Do you have any sense of why that was the case? Why he was sort of so contradictory on that?
I think he was self-conscious. I think he was a big fan of Prince's. I mean, there's definite tracks on Faith where he's clearly trying to copy Prince and he said that himself. I think he was a massive contradiction in that he was very self-deprecating, but also he had a massive ego. And also I think the whole thing came as a surprise to him in that when Wham! started, Andrew was the main guy.
When the executive, the first band formed, people were saying that Andrew was the better singer. And you know, Andrew led, you watch the early interviews, Andrew's dominating the conversation. Andrew was the one with style. And I think George just discovered very, like halfway through the first album, Gosh, he could do it. He actually could write amazing pop songs. And he could sing.
I think it was a massive surprise to himself. And I think that's where some of that comes from.
You've mentioned Andrew there. The relationship between the two of them is really interesting. It's sort of almost slightly enigmatic. Andrew obviously wrote a book fairly recently about his life and came here to sign copies of it and was a really lovely guy. And it was really nice to see him having a chance to, I guess, to tell his side of the story.
But it always felt to me as though they desperately needed each other and they were really good together. And something definitely changed when they sort of split apart. What's your sense of their relationship?
Yeah, it's very complex. It's not what people think it is. And there's now a new narrative because of Andrew's book and the film and the documentaries, which is not quite right. It's like all friendships. And I remember also this is a friendship that was strained because of money, tens of millions of pounds involved. So obviously it wasn't neat.
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Chapter 5: What role did control play in George Michael's music creation?
This is a very mean question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. If I asked you what your favourite George Michael song was, would you be able to pull one out?
God, actually, I should have an answer to that.
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I should. Okay, let me think of something. Listen to your heart. Probably waiting for that day. You probably don't even know what that is. I don't know. That or Cowboys and Angels, which you probably don't know either. They're both on Listen Without Prejudice. Okay.
I'm going to listen to both of those this evening.
Yeah, you should. Give yourself a treat.
Yeah.
It's going viral on TikTok, actually, Cowboys and Angels.
Oh, okay. Great. This weekend. The subtitle for this book is The Meaning of George Michael, and what you do is, through these sort of themed chapters, you look at these different aspects of his life, I suppose to really back up the seriousness of him and his music.
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