Satya Shah

Well, and I think in hockey in general, and I do want to ask you about Uka Pekka Luka in a second here, but I think in hockey in general, it's the sport that hasn't taken the same step as other sports.

And maybe if Gillis had been around longer and his entire tenure wasn't thrown dirt at by other people around the league, maybe some other teams would have taken that step.

I think it's happening, but the NHL is far behind other leagues in terms of finding those differences around the margins.

Before we let you go, and I do agree with everything you just said, well said as always, Woodley.

Uka Pekalukanen, shades of, and maybe we're being mean to Dan Kluczyk, as Bic mentioned.

This was worse than Kluczyk giving up that goal to Nick Listrom.

What goes through your mind as a card-carrying member of the goalie guild when a fellow goaltender lets one in like that?

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think that's the mental side of the game, too, that's so fascinating for goaltenders.

But Woodley, listen, man, thanks so much for your time as always.

Appreciate your time.

And we'll chat with you next week.

And we'll see if the Canucks have a new management team in place by next week.

Or at the very least, we'll be talking playoffs.

And yeah, then we can get back to, if they do that, we can get back to talking about the guys who are still playing the game.

I know.

And the games have been a lot of fun so far.

And the first round's always a classic.

Thanks, guys.

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