Scott Alexander (author/host)

And beyond this, the voices told her that she will be delivered by a great victory, and then they said, Take everything peacefully, have no care for thy martyrdom, in the end thou shalt come to the kingdom of paradise.

And this her voices told her simply and absolutely, that is, without faltering.

And her martyrdom she called the pain and adversity which she suffers in prison, and she knows not whether she shall yet suffer greater adversity, but therein she commits herself to God.

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Which sure sounds to me like they told her she would be martyred, in the sense in which we would use the term today and not just in the older sense of suffering, and she completely misunderstood delivered from the pains of hell as delivered from the jail cell you are currently in.

The greater victory spoken of can either be her victory in the debate or, frustratingly, the victory of Jesus over death.

Stupid prophecies.

So, are there any prophecies where she's just unambiguously wrong?

I think I've managed to track one down.

Quote,

What was the cause for which you leapt from the tower of Beaurevoir?

Footnote, where she was imprisoned by the Burgundians.

Back to the text.

Joan, I had heard say that all they of Compiègne down to the age of seven years were to be put to fire and to blood, and I preferred to die rather than live after such destruction of good people, and that was one of the causes of my leaping.

And the other was that I knew I was to be sold to the English and I would rather have died than to be in the hands of the English, my adversaries.

Question.

Did you make that leap out of the advice of your voices?

Joan.

Catherine told me almost every day that I must not leap and that God would help me and also them of Compiègne.

And I said to St.