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Scott Alexander

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Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Directive 3000.09 requires that autonomous weapon systems be designed to, quote, end quote.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

But it doesn't define appropriate, and the US government has stated it is a flexible term, where what qualifies can differ across weapon systems, domains of warfare, types of warfare, operational contexts, and even across different functions in a weapon system.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

The institution that decides what's appropriate is the same institution that wants to use the weapon.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Second, the Department of War can change its own policies, so any contract which only guarantees lawful use rather than hard coding some particular standard gives the DOW complete latitude to change the relevant directive, and therefore the terms, whenever they want.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Footnote, OpenAI suggests they're protected against this since their agreement specifically refers to DOD Directive 3000.09, dated 25th January 2023.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

But other parts of the contract refers to all lawful purposes, without specifying current law in particular, which would at best lead to contradictions if the law changes.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

More on this below.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Back to the text.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Everyone, including Anthropic, agrees that some form of autonomous weapons will be necessary to win the wars of the future.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Indeed, autonomous weapons are already being used on the battlefield in Ukraine.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

But there's a wide spectrum, from humans entirely in the loop, to humans partly in the loop, to humans totally unrelated to the loop, and we might want humans involved somewhere for at least two reasons.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

First, humans add reliability.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

For the same reason that chatbots sometimes hallucinate, and coding agents sometimes make crazy and reckless decisions that no human would consider, fully autonomous weapons might make inexplicable mistakes in their use of lethal force, with potentially devastating results.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Second, and more important, human soldiers are a check on the worst abuses of authoritarians.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Sometimes a strongman will give an illegal order.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

To shoot at protesters, to initiate an auto-coup, to begin a genocide.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

And soldiers will say no.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

Sometimes those soldiers will decide that the appropriate response is to arrest the strongman instead.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

However often this happens, the fear of it keeps strongmen in line and forces them to consider public opinion, at least insofar as the army is made up of the public.

Astral Codex Ten Podcast
"All Lawful Use": Much More Than You Wanted To Know

If there's a fully robotic force that automatically obeys orders, this check disappears.