Scott Barry Kaufman

Figure out, you know, which school for the learning disabled they should send me to.

It didn't really set it off on a good foot there.

So, yeah, I mean, it's just, there's so much intense, you feel this pressure on you.

You feel like some deep part of you is being evaluated.

It's, you know, I don't think that's going to make too many people feel good.

Yes, I think that there's really important nuance here, which is that

These tests can be very useful tools and they shouldn't be used to limit possibility or limit potential.

Both things can be true at the same time.

It's not a contradiction to say that the tests are reliable and valid in the sense they're measuring a certain slice of human cognition, which some people don't.

score very high in those things.

And it can actually tap into some people's hidden potential, for sure, for sure.

I mean, I imagine that a lot, if not most physics professors, you know, did well on an IQ test when they're younger, or, you know, certain fields, it can kind of test maybe your promise for certain things.

But I think that that's the nuance we need is to simultaneously acknowledge that

There are people who are intellectually gifted in a certain way that deserve just as much appreciation and acceleration as any other student.

I'm an advocate of gifted education.

My whole thing is expanding the pie and doing universal screening and a lot of other nuanced stuff that we could talk about.

But I don't want to get rid of gifted education.

That's right.

Oh my God, I forgot I told you that.

Yeah, I remember vividly that I put that on my wall.