Scott Detrow

So, Martha, a lot of jobs are theoretically at risk, but I want to start by looking at what we actually know already.

You and your colleagues at the Budget Lab have been looking at the actual data.

What does it show, so far at least, about AI-related job loss?

That is what is happening now.

That is what has been happening over the past year.

That doesn't mean things couldn't change going forward.

And I know you and your colleagues have compared this in many ways to the Industrial Revolution.

Why is that a good way to think about this?

And Kelsey, I know you spend a lot of time, you know, really optimistically thinking about worst case scenarios of AI.

Yep.

Where does the industrial revolution type scenario fit there?

Like, do you think that is the high end worst case scenario?

Or how are you thinking about this right now when you think about...

what could happen over the next five to 10 years?

Both of you are saying in different ways a lot of the outcome will depend on policies, federal government policy, state government policy.

Are you seeing those policies being carried out, serious conversations in any way, shape or form right now?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I want to go entirely analog.

I hate this all.