Scott Detrow

Trump has also repeatedly raised the idea that the U.S. will make Canada its 51st state.

Trump has also repeatedly raised the idea that the U.S. will make Canada its 51st state.

Trump has also repeatedly raised the idea that the U.S. will make Canada its 51st state.

And then there's that proposal for the U.S. to, quote, own the Gaza Strip, permanently relocate the Palestinians who live there and redevelop it.

And then there's that proposal for the U.S. to, quote, own the Gaza Strip, permanently relocate the Palestinians who live there and redevelop it.

And then there's that proposal for the U.S. to, quote, own the Gaza Strip, permanently relocate the Palestinians who live there and redevelop it.

Consider this. Trump's term has been marked by a string of policy proposals that would have been unthinkable in any other administration. Even if they don't go anywhere, they are reshaping the boundaries of our democracy. From NPR, I'm Scott Detrow.

Consider this. Trump's term has been marked by a string of policy proposals that would have been unthinkable in any other administration. Even if they don't go anywhere, they are reshaping the boundaries of our democracy. From NPR, I'm Scott Detrow.

Consider this. Trump's term has been marked by a string of policy proposals that would have been unthinkable in any other administration. Even if they don't go anywhere, they are reshaping the boundaries of our democracy. From NPR, I'm Scott Detrow.

It's Consider This from NPR. M. Gessen argues that there's a simple through line to the barrage of proposals in President Trump's first month.

It's Consider This from NPR. M. Gessen argues that there's a simple through line to the barrage of proposals in President Trump's first month.

It's Consider This from NPR. M. Gessen argues that there's a simple through line to the barrage of proposals in President Trump's first month.

Gessen has thought and written a lot about autocracy, most recently as an opinion columnist on The New York Times. So I got them on the line to talk about how they make sense of the Trump administration so far.

Gessen has thought and written a lot about autocracy, most recently as an opinion columnist on The New York Times. So I got them on the line to talk about how they make sense of the Trump administration so far.

Gessen has thought and written a lot about autocracy, most recently as an opinion columnist on The New York Times. So I got them on the line to talk about how they make sense of the Trump administration so far.

I want to do the radio host thing here of pushing back on the idea I've invited you onto this program to talk about, but I'm very curious about how you think about this. Because Americans voted to return Trump to power. And there's a lot of anecdotal and broader evidence that a lot of voters hear conversations like the one that we're having right now as white noise.

I want to do the radio host thing here of pushing back on the idea I've invited you onto this program to talk about, but I'm very curious about how you think about this. Because Americans voted to return Trump to power. And there's a lot of anecdotal and broader evidence that a lot of voters hear conversations like the one that we're having right now as white noise.

I want to do the radio host thing here of pushing back on the idea I've invited you onto this program to talk about, but I'm very curious about how you think about this. Because Americans voted to return Trump to power. And there's a lot of anecdotal and broader evidence that a lot of voters hear conversations like the one that we're having right now as white noise.

This is alarmist worries from elites and magazines and national news outlets. And they either don't believe these warnings or they don't care. How have you thought about this since the election? And what do you think about that dynamic that seems to really be playing out?

This is alarmist worries from elites and magazines and national news outlets. And they either don't believe these warnings or they don't care. How have you thought about this since the election? And what do you think about that dynamic that seems to really be playing out?