Scott Detrow

I want to zoom out and get to Holman's backstory and bio in a moment, but let's start with this.

In this moment, in this tense situation, what to you is the most meaningful difference between Greg Bovino and Tom Holman?

That's what I was curious about what you thought, because whether it's professionalization or or in some cases, people are saying it's a more moderate approach.

This is being framed as a de-escalatory move.

Do you see it that way based on what you know about Tom Holman and his background?

And that was probably, with maybe one or two exceptions, one of the policies of the first Trump administration that got the most backlash, got the most political response, really upset people across the political spectrum.

Did Tom Holman ever back away from that?

Did he ever say that this was wrong or concede that mistakes were made in any way, shape or form?

So that's an important thing to know about him when it comes to policies that he has pushed for and helped orchestrate.

One other thing that's gotten a lot of attention over the last few years is his financial dealings, the many ways in which his political life has intersected with his financial interests.

What do we need to know about that?

Yeah, the basic facts of it were that undercover FBI agents allegedly offered him $50,000 in bribe money.

They said he accepted it.

He denies this.

The Department of Justice closed the bribery case, and the White House press secretary, Caroline Leavitt, when this all came out, characterized all of that as entrapment.

I think the overarching story of the second Trump administration is how much more extreme it's been than the first one, that there were policies where the White House kind of stopped or pulled back or reassessed or people in positions of power said, we're not going to do this the first time around.

That just hasn't happened on so many fronts this time around.

What do you see, if anything, that's different about Tom Homan in the second administration compared to the first administration?

Any sense, given all that, what you're looking for over the next few weeks in Minneapolis with him now in charge?

That is Caitlin Dickerson, reporter at The Atlantic.