Scott Detrow

And that was very much the Biden foreign policy, democracy versus autocracy. That's how we frame just about everything. This is very different.

And that was very much the Biden foreign policy, democracy versus autocracy. That's how we frame just about everything. This is very different.

Emma, one of the reasons we wanted to talk to you is because you are somebody who does favor a more restrained U.S. foreign policy. And as we talked about, this is something that Trump talked a lot about and campaigned on the first time around. But then when you look at the actions it took, there was an escalation of tension with Iran, an increase in military spending.

Emma, one of the reasons we wanted to talk to you is because you are somebody who does favor a more restrained U.S. foreign policy. And as we talked about, this is something that Trump talked a lot about and campaigned on the first time around. But then when you look at the actions it took, there was an escalation of tension with Iran, an increase in military spending.

Emma, one of the reasons we wanted to talk to you is because you are somebody who does favor a more restrained U.S. foreign policy. And as we talked about, this is something that Trump talked a lot about and campaigned on the first time around. But then when you look at the actions it took, there was an escalation of tension with Iran, an increase in military spending.

He vetoed efforts to end U.S. involvement in Yemen. Other examples. Do you think this time could be different when you look at those end results and decisions?

He vetoed efforts to end U.S. involvement in Yemen. Other examples. Do you think this time could be different when you look at those end results and decisions?

He vetoed efforts to end U.S. involvement in Yemen. Other examples. Do you think this time could be different when you look at those end results and decisions?

You know, as somebody who thinks that the US would be well served by a break with the foreign policy of the last administration, what are you as somebody who would like to see a shift like that most hopeful about when it comes to the changes that Trump is at least saying he's trying to make?

You know, as somebody who thinks that the US would be well served by a break with the foreign policy of the last administration, what are you as somebody who would like to see a shift like that most hopeful about when it comes to the changes that Trump is at least saying he's trying to make?

You know, as somebody who thinks that the US would be well served by a break with the foreign policy of the last administration, what are you as somebody who would like to see a shift like that most hopeful about when it comes to the changes that Trump is at least saying he's trying to make?

That's Emma Ashford with the Stimson Center. Thank you so much.

That's Emma Ashford with the Stimson Center. Thank you so much.

That's Emma Ashford with the Stimson Center. Thank you so much.

This episode was produced by Connor Donovan. It was edited by Courtney Dorning and Nadia Lancey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. As we wrap up the week, a thank you to our Consider This Plus listeners who support the show. If that's not you, it could be. Supporters also hear every episode without sponsor messages. You can learn more at the link in our episode notes.

This episode was produced by Connor Donovan. It was edited by Courtney Dorning and Nadia Lancey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. As we wrap up the week, a thank you to our Consider This Plus listeners who support the show. If that's not you, it could be. Supporters also hear every episode without sponsor messages. You can learn more at the link in our episode notes.

This episode was produced by Connor Donovan. It was edited by Courtney Dorning and Nadia Lancey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. As we wrap up the week, a thank you to our Consider This Plus listeners who support the show. If that's not you, it could be. Supporters also hear every episode without sponsor messages. You can learn more at the link in our episode notes.

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