Scott Detrow

Another thing I want to put to both of you, and John, I'll start with you. We just got those high-level data back showing that so many students across the country still struggling with basics like reading and math post-COVID. Is there an argument that the current system just isn't working?

Another thing I want to put to both of you, and John, I'll start with you. We just got those high-level data back showing that so many students across the country still struggling with basics like reading and math post-COVID. Is there an argument that the current system just isn't working?

Another thing I want to put to both of you, and John, I'll start with you. We just got those high-level data back showing that so many students across the country still struggling with basics like reading and math post-COVID. Is there an argument that the current system just isn't working?

Margaret Spelling, same question to you. Given how frustrated so many people are across the country with where things are right now, does this help or hurt?

Margaret Spelling, same question to you. Given how frustrated so many people are across the country with where things are right now, does this help or hurt?

Margaret Spelling, same question to you. Given how frustrated so many people are across the country with where things are right now, does this help or hurt?

It's two former education secretaries, Margaret Spellings and John King. Thank you so much to both of you for joining us.

It's two former education secretaries, Margaret Spellings and John King. Thank you so much to both of you for joining us.

It's two former education secretaries, Margaret Spellings and John King. Thank you so much to both of you for joining us.

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I'm Scott Detrow.

I'm Scott Detrow.

I'm Scott Detrow.

I am always happy to be here, but I'll be honest, I'm only here because I heard we might have dessert.

I am always happy to be here, but I'll be honest, I'm only here because I heard we might have dessert.

I am always happy to be here, but I'll be honest, I'm only here because I heard we might have dessert.

That's all well and good, but again, I'm going to stress that I was promised dessert.

That's all well and good, but again, I'm going to stress that I was promised dessert.