Scott Johnson

Yeah, well, so a few other things happened during the course of our conversation.

So one was that

Around that time, a grand jury in the United States at the behest of the Department of Justice had handed down an indictment.

So the wheels of justice were spinning, you know, on multiple levels.

There was an FBI investigation.

The UK was investigating.

But now there was also a grand jury indictment, which which meant that, you know, things had preceded.

to that phase.

I mean, it wasn't just in an investigatory phase anymore.

There were actual legal proceedings that were happening.

So that was one thing.

And then the other thing that happened was that there was a podcast.

Among the many people who got interested in this story, there was a podcast at one point that had been doing a bit of work on it and they

they revealed his name publicly.

And that happened while he and I were actually in conversation over the course of these many weeks on these Zoom calls that we were having with him in the UK and I was in Seattle.

And during that window of time of several weeks, this podcast revealed his name.

And so suddenly he had been kind of publicly known

outed and so I kind of had a front row seat.

in a way, well, I did.

I had a front row seat to his reaction to being publicly outed.