Scott Johnson

So the wheels of justice were spinning, you know, on multiple levels.

There was an FBI investigation.

The UK was investigating.

But now there was also a grand jury indictment, which which meant that, you know, things had preceded.

to that phase.

I mean, it wasn't just in an investigatory phase anymore.

There were actual legal proceedings that were happening.

So that was one thing.

And then the other thing that happened was that there was a podcast.

Among the many people who got interested in this story, there was a podcast at one point that had been doing a bit of work on it and they

they revealed his name publicly.

And that happened while he and I were actually in conversation over the course of these many weeks on these Zoom calls that we were having with him in the UK and I was in Seattle.

And during that window of time of several weeks, this podcast revealed his name.

And so suddenly he had been kind of publicly known

outed and so I kind of had a front row seat.

in a way, well, I did.

I had a front row seat to his reaction to being publicly outed.

And I got to see the full measure of his rage and his frustration and his desire for vengeance and his absolute fury at being outed.

And so interspersed with all the things that I was describing earlier, his kind of

rambling storytelling and these very elaborate kind of fantasies that formed his autobiography as he was telling it to me, interspersed with that were these absolutely furious asides where he would just lash out at different people.