Scott Johnson

And I got to see the full measure of his rage and his frustration and his desire for vengeance and his absolute fury at being outed.

And so interspersed with all the things that I was describing earlier, his kind of

rambling storytelling and these very elaborate kind of fantasies that formed his autobiography as he was telling it to me, interspersed with that were these absolutely furious asides where he would just lash out at different people.

He would lash out at Nicole

The investigator who had been pursuing him for many years by that point, he lashed out at the folks who did the podcast, who had publicized his name, at victims.

He told me that the victims deserved what they got, that they wanted fame, that they were...

You know, they were just asking for it.

And he lashed out at me.

I mean, there were many times where he got very angry at me and, you know, threatened to stop talking to me or worse.

So, you know, I got to see the...

all the different sides of his personality, sort of in real time as he was responding to this world, this law enforcement, but also kind of the public world closing in on him.

And it was interesting because having seen where he lived and what his world was like in Manchester, which was a pretty circumscribed world, you know, he...

He left his apartment.

He went to Marks and Spencer to get food.

He came back to his apartment.

You know, he didn't, he didn't do a whole lot.

And now that world was, was getting even smaller and more people were paying attention.

and not the people that he wanted to pay attention.

So all of that was happening as I was having the conversation and ultimately his world got even smaller.

It completely shut down because in the middle of our conversations, toward the end of our conversations, he got arrested.