Scott Minto

Look, I've got to ask you, we've just been speaking to Liam Rossini about the Black Lives Matter campaign.

What's your take on it and also what football can do to help the injustice?

I was just going to say, sorry, Scott, just to jump in, but I think the good thing as well, Ruud, as I agree with everything you've said there, is that I feel it's from both sides as well now.

I think from being a white person, this is going to be uncomfortable at times.

There's going to be uncomfortable conversations for people where they don't know quite what to say.

If they say something, is it going to be wrong?

But I do feel now that people have had enough and I feel that it is right.

And obviously people like yourself that are talking, people need to be more in football, coaches, top level, UEFA, have to have a voice with so many black players playing all around the world.

They don't have a voice and that's not correct.

We see so many people giving enjoyment to fans around the globe and not enough black people that have the opportunity in the top level to voice their opinions and give these guys a bit of help and guidance.

Rude.

Great stuff.

Listen, we've talked and we can carry on talking for a very long time as well.

We're going to take a quick break now and then we're going to talk about your time in England and your career generally.

What a career it was.

Welcome back to the football show, Jamie Redknapp, Graeme Stoones and Ruud Gullit alongside me.

Let's talk about, Ruud, your football career now.

I want to just move on from the start to when I first met you, when you came to Chelsea.

How did the move first of all come about that Ruud Gullit, the big star, would come to a Chelsea team that wasn't the Chelsea team that is now?

One, how rubbish was the training ground there?