Scott Mitchell-Malm

It's basically Toyota's R&D arm, the motorsport arm based in Europe.

They have the facility there.

But that...

isn't doing you know that that's not actually doing any heavy lifting in terms of has construction or design work what that's doing is providing personnel personnel to run the testing of previous cars program that has introduced in 2025 it's personnel on on the ground it's also now a new simulator which is coming on later this year which we'll talk about in a bit but there's another sort of

subset to that which is the Epsom facility that Toyota Racing has which Haas uses to at the moment calibrate the new simulator so there's loads of moving parts here

Yes, and the way it was set up obviously has facilitated a degree of short-cutting versus if you were going to do absolutely everything yourself.

I mean, some of the stuff that Cadillac's taken on, for example, in 2026 as F1's newest team, immediately outstrips what Haas is already kitted out to do.

I think across the three sites, it's just under 400 strong Haas.

Obviously, there'll be other...

Yeah, supply chains and personnel chains sort of feeding into that.

But I think that's the right number for Haas people specifically, which makes it between.

And when you've got, you know, the Banbury headquarters, for example, I think is five and a half square, five and a half square meters, five and a half thousand square meters.

It's not that small.

Right.

which makes it basically between three and nine times smaller than all the other F1 teams.

So even now, it is still F1's smallest team, with Cadillac just having joined the grid.

And if you took the... I say this quite a lot, so for those who are regular listeners to the podcast and all things Haas, I apologise for repeating myself, but...

It is the best way to frame the Haas challenge.

If every single team achieved its theoretical maximum potential, Haas would be last.

This is the team that should be last in Formula 1, and it just more often than not isn't.