Scott Wheeler

And then the offense has really come this year, and he scored 20-plus goals as a defenseman in the WHL, and he's been attacking more, and he's been using his first touch to step past that sort of first layer of pressure off the point and attack into the slot.

And he's been joining the rush more, and he's running the power play there.

And I still don't believe that he has the offense that the other top four or five D in this class possesses.

but what Carl's has is maybe he's not as 50, 60 point defenseman in the league.

And maybe he's a 40.1 who plays important minutes for you.

And it's every bit as valuable as those guys because of his physicality and his competitiveness and the hardness of his game and the way that it'll fit in playoff hockey and, and all of that.

Right.

So really interesting kid comes from a farming family.

I wrote a feature on him at the athletic earlier this year, and just really fascinating background in hockey and,

Yeah, just a heck of a hockey player.

That's, I think, the truest way to describe him is he's just a competitor.

He's a sort of NHL scout.

Their mold of what a top four defenseman should look like.

Yes, I think they will.

It does feel close enough with all of those guys, and I don't think any of those guys are sort of true, true, true number one defensemen.

And I know there aren't 30.

We always talk about number one defensemen, and then if we were to actually make a list of them, we're probably listing 15 or 20 names rather than 32 names.

But I don't think they're going to be – I don't think any of these kids feel to me like they're going to be –

in that list of 15 or 20 names.

That doesn't mean they won't play 25 minutes a night in the league or they won't be first pairing defense.