Sean Cannell

But he was like one of the investors in Maker, like that whole boom.

So you, if you're on the industry floor at VidCon,

And you're just talking to people, just talking about the real, you know, behind the scenes and how in some cases an MCN had, you know, a top couple of guys are paying all the bills.

This is like record levels.

you know, are bringing in all the revenue, but then you have other creators and drama behind the scenes.

But I think it's just part of it.

I think a lot of that, it sounds like a theme that's consistent in media.

So probably the smartest thing to do is to like get a ton of wisdom.

And like, what are the, what are like the red flags and yellow flags?

What are some things that I could do differently?

But I think it is ripe for innovation because the space is insane.

Numbers, Goldman Sachs said the creator economy is going to double between now and 2027.

In terms of the total addressable market, the TAM, from about a $250 billion industry to a half a trillion dollar industry, how much money is in the system?

So networks make sense.

And scale makes a lot of sense.

But how do you do that with wisdom?

And then how do you do it that's sustainable?

I think what happened is a lot of people built stuff on bubbles.

They built it when ads were a certain thing.

To your point, Dave is like more resilient because he has a tribe and other products and the long tail.