Sean Carroll

Or from the left where you say like, no, making individuals the locus of things gives individuals the so-called right to live in poverty or be discriminated against or whatever by giving the rights to other people where you could be helping them more than the liberal order would necessarily do.

So these are all non-trivial things.

They shouldn't be in the background.

They shouldn't be assumptions that we just make or they shouldn't be things that we can deny or can hear denied without being able to offer the case for them, to give the arguments in favor of them.

Adam is the founding editor of an online magazine called Liberal Currents.

So you can go to liberalcurrents.com and he's assembled a very impressive list of contributors and ideas where they not only, you know, say, wow, things are pretty bad out there right now.

That happens sometimes.

That is going to happen if that's your cast of mind and you live in the modern world.

But they try very hard to give positive thoughts, not just like, it'll be okay, don't worry, we're going to win, but here's what we should do in a very down-to-earth practical way.

Here's what we should do short-term to make things okay, but also what could we aim for?

How might we change the way that we choose our representatives or the way that we organize our government so that we protect ourselves

the rights of individuals even better than they are now.

Wouldn't be hard to do it even better than we are now, but you know what I mean.

So this is an important project.

It's one that even if you personally don't agree with everything, that's okay.

We can disagree with it, but we need to have the intellectual justification for these ideas out there.

I mean, as Adam says,

They want to have people who they disagree with, but who are good, who are good at making arguments.

You know, there are some people, we do name some names, who are very popular in the discourse these days, whose arguments are just not that good.

And, you know, you want a better quality of enemy, basically.