Sean Carroll

So is this – are you – not to put it too simplistically, you want more influence from smoke-filled rooms, right?

I do have this, on the one hand, feeling that we could certainly improve our political system, both in how we vote and how we have representation, et cetera, but a complete fear that we should not touch the Constitution because if we actually tried to change it in the current climate, it would turn out to be a fiasco.

You can mention it, please.

Yeah.

I do occasionally, Adam, have people on the show who want to sell their books.

That's actually a great segue because one thing I didn't want to neglect talking about is the role of education, and in particular, civic education.

I'm actually on a committee at Johns Hopkins, who's my employer, to rethink civic education.

The faculty and administration has come to the conclusion that a lot of students just –

don't have the background assumptions about democracy and liberalism that you think that someone going up in our society should have.

And is this our responsibility to fix it?

Is it possible to fix it?

You have this wonderful quote.

I like that you don't shy away from the hot takes.

I think you wrote a whole article about why hot takes are good.

So I'll read this quote.

A liberal society cannot survive unless liberal values are broadly held by the electorate.

Is that something that our education system should concern itself with?

What do you think about mandatory voting?

I was mostly against mandatory voting.

Maybe I'm just going to say the same thing you did.