Sean Carroll

But I've been impressed empirically over and over again with conditions under which people were handed responsibility and rose to the occasion, right?

Like treated really seriously.

And maybe the country as a whole would do that a little bit more anyway.

Yeah.

Which brings us to sort of the final thing I want to talk about, which are the practical considerations here.

I mean, as you're saying these wonderful things about let's give people 10 bucks to vote and that that means something to poor people.

It doesn't really mean anything to rich people.

That means there's a whole large political party, the United States, who doesn't want it to happen, right?

I mean, it's easy in this day and age to be a little despairing about the political situation.

And one of the great things about liberal currents is the fighting spirit is absolutely there.

Tell me a little bit about how you feel about the push and pull between just complaining about how terrible things are and keeping up the ability to say, no, we're going to keep working to make it better.

It is fascinating to me because I think it's very hard to study how ideas get taken up, right?

I mean, we all know that there's various conservative think tanks and education programs and societies that over the last 50 years have been super successful at creating a cadre of true believers.

And it doesn't seem, from my perspective, to be exactly the same thing on the more liberal side.

Yeah.

But every little bit helps, I guess.

Good.

Well, I'm glad that you had that optimistic take on what we can be doing.

I do hope that we remove a lot of gold foil from the White House when we get the trifecta in there.

And good luck with the fundraiser.