Sean Defoe

Potentially.

I mean, there's no clear favourite now.

Maybe eyes have been turning towards Dara O'Brien in some of the people that I have been speaking to.

There's others like James Lawless who've said that they want to lead the party in future.

Hard to see Norma Foley putting the hand up and Dara Kaliri is maybe not really seen as a leadership type.

They all have problems with them is what I'm saying.

And perhaps as a result of that, Micheál Martin clings on longer.

I've never really bought into this idea that he's a person who will step away in the way that other Taoiseach have by dint that he lives for the job.

And we have predicted his downfall many, many times that he was going to take a European commissionership, that he was going to do this, that and the other.

And even though Michal Martin is very personally damaged by this, ironically, it may see him staying as leader of Fianna Fáil longer.

No, I think Simon Harris's leadership being newer also just helps in that.

You know, he is a newer leader.

There's not an immediate challenger to him either that has the credentials.

Within Fine Gael, you've seen an awful lot of the heavy hitters step away over the last few years, maybe of Pascal Donoghue.

was still on the pitch.

Some people would be looking to him now.

He's obviously gone.

Leo Varadkar, Simon Coveney, all these people who were seen as putative leaders of Fine Gael are now off doing other things and entirely out of politics.

But there is still pressure on Simon Harris, I think, overall, just an acceptance that maybe there isn't someone

Like Helen McEntee took an awful lot of flack as Justice Minister, hasn't really recovered from that.