Sean Pyles

I think that that is a little on the lower side, giving some of their uncertainty.

They might want to consider putting more money into that account.

And Kate, what would you do?

I mean, we appreciate you doing it because it's a complex topic.

But you talking about how important it is for people who are in this program to track their qualified payments and their employment history, that makes me wonder about the actual forgiveness itself.

Is it automatic or are people in this situation going to have to maybe make the case of, hey, here are all of my payments.

Here's where I was working when I was making these payments.

They are qualified and kind of have to fight for themselves to get this forgiveness.

I would like that to be a payback with interest for all the trouble.

Yeah, right.

But yeah, well, so it seems like this is yet another situation where people have to be their best, most informed advocate.

Absolutely.

And or be part of a union that can help advocate on your behalf.

So I thought you were going to say we're going to burn it all down, Elizabeth.

GoFundMe is a nice option, too.

All right.

Well, Kate, thank you so much for coming on and explaining what is quite a complex but really topical subject.

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