Sean Rameswaram

Andrew Natsios, he's a professor at the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University in College Station, Texas. President Trump and Vice President Musk are just getting started. What we can learn from USAID when we're back on Today Explained.

Andrew Natsios, he's a professor at the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University in College Station, Texas. President Trump and Vice President Musk are just getting started. What we can learn from USAID when we're back on Today Explained.

Today Explained is back. Sean Ramos from here with Dylan Matthews from Vox, who writes for our Future Perfect section. Dylan, we just spoke with Professor Andrew Natsios, administrator of USAID during the last Bush administration. He said he was appalled to see what's happening to this agency. Why is removing this agency and targeting foreign aid such a top priority for this Trump administration?

Today Explained is back. Sean Ramos from here with Dylan Matthews from Vox, who writes for our Future Perfect section. Dylan, we just spoke with Professor Andrew Natsios, administrator of USAID during the last Bush administration. He said he was appalled to see what's happening to this agency. Why is removing this agency and targeting foreign aid such a top priority for this Trump administration?

Today Explained is back. Sean Ramos from here with Dylan Matthews from Vox, who writes for our Future Perfect section. Dylan, we just spoke with Professor Andrew Natsios, administrator of USAID during the last Bush administration. He said he was appalled to see what's happening to this agency. Why is removing this agency and targeting foreign aid such a top priority for this Trump administration?

And are they making an example out of it so that they can do more of this kind of dismantling of federal agencies?

And are they making an example out of it so that they can do more of this kind of dismantling of federal agencies?

And are they making an example out of it so that they can do more of this kind of dismantling of federal agencies?

You wrote recently for Vox.com that Doge and Trump are kind of establishing a three-step playbook here for messing with the federal bureaucracy, the civil service, the government. Run us through the three steps.

You wrote recently for Vox.com that Doge and Trump are kind of establishing a three-step playbook here for messing with the federal bureaucracy, the civil service, the government. Run us through the three steps.

You wrote recently for Vox.com that Doge and Trump are kind of establishing a three-step playbook here for messing with the federal bureaucracy, the civil service, the government. Run us through the three steps.

Okay. So step one, pull the funding. Step two, pull the staffing. Step three?

Okay. So step one, pull the funding. Step two, pull the staffing. Step three?

Okay. So step one, pull the funding. Step two, pull the staffing. Step three?

Where did this playbook come from? Are they making it up as they go along? Because certainly we've never seen something quite like this in our federal bureaucracy.

Where did this playbook come from? Are they making it up as they go along? Because certainly we've never seen something quite like this in our federal bureaucracy.

Where did this playbook come from? Are they making it up as they go along? Because certainly we've never seen something quite like this in our federal bureaucracy.

Okay, Elon Musk is out there saying there is gross waste in USAID. Some of the claims he's making are completely made up, complete fabrications, like these millions of dollars on condoms for Palestinians.

Okay, Elon Musk is out there saying there is gross waste in USAID. Some of the claims he's making are completely made up, complete fabrications, like these millions of dollars on condoms for Palestinians.

Okay, Elon Musk is out there saying there is gross waste in USAID. Some of the claims he's making are completely made up, complete fabrications, like these millions of dollars on condoms for Palestinians.