Sebastian Junger

So what you're saying is, unless you can answer that question, which I don't think you can, what you're saying is that there's actually a kind of random lottery for God's grace, right?

And if that's the way he runs things, I don't want anything to do with him because that's cruel, right?

And so that's my quibble with the word God.

But universal unity, you know, I'm good, right?

You know, if it's good for Schrodinger, it's good for me, you know, whatever.

And so, you know, I would—

I don't know.

The violence of the emotions around all this is just – is puzzling to me.

Like I don't understand why people get so heated about what someone else believes.

Yeah.

It's just some primate shit.

And, you know, if you believe that human beings are inherently bad and that only a fear of hell and a fear, frankly, not a love of God, a fear of God will make you act well.

If you really think that's what humans are, then sort of religion makes sense.

But so for me, for example, and I'm assuming for you and most people that I think we probably know, like I don't murder people and rob banks and things like that because I'm afraid of going to jail.

I refrain from doing those things because I don't want to be someone who does those things.

I have my own inner morality about what it means to be a good person, to not be a freaking psychopath.

I mean, I don't want to go to jail either, but you don't need the laws.

You don't need the courts to make me act well in that sense.

So if you need God in order to not rob banks and kill people and rape people, bro, you got a freaking problem.

Right?