Sebastian Junger

They're invested in it because they disproportionately benefit from it, right?

Iraq under Hussein was not disproportionately benefiting from market stability because it was an oppressive, it was a dictatorship, right?

And the economy sucked and there was a ton of corruption, right?

But democracies are quite, they really do benefit from stability.

But all of those democracies are defended by really robust militaries, right?

And if they weren't,

Right?

They would get overrun in half a generation.

Right.

Right.

Well, there's also the sort of what do you – what happens when the dog catches the tire, right?

Right.

So if Russia had –

I mean, what the Ukrainians, I mean, all the politics and whatever aside, just on a military level, what the Ukrainians were able to do, you know, quite outmatched by the Russians, what the Taliban were able to do with the U.S., the Mujahideen against the Russians, all of this, like what the Ukrainians were able to do against the Russians is quite extraordinary.

The Russians really should have taken Ukraine in a few weeks, right?

And had they...

That would have been – that was what everyone predicted.

I didn't think that was going to happen.

But that was what everyone predicted.

It didn't happen.