Sebastian Junger

Well, so then what I would say is because as soon as you say God, it presents some logical problems.

I would say live your life as if you believe in a universal unity, a colossal unity of all things.

Right.

Right.

And that's a silly – I mean I was – so a guy raised his hand at one talk and he was quite incensed and that I was – still said I was an atheist, right?

Yeah.

And he said, you know, you were, he was quite, you know, he came right at me, right?

And, you know, atheists don't, I mean, I don't care if someone's a believer.

Like, why would I care in what you believe?

You know, like, but often believers are quite upset that you're an atheist, which is this bizarre, bizarre quirk of the psychology that I don't understand.

But at any rate, he raised his hand.

He said, you know, you're only alive because of God's grace.

And you have to be thankful.

You have to find Jesus and you have to be thankful to God for saving you because it was only his grace that saved you.

And I said, you know what?

I flatlined, right?

I did like what I do with upset people.

Like I didn't get emotional.

I went to zero, you know, zero Kelvin.

I said, you know what?