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Senator Ron Johnson

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Now, one of the things I did, and we had it pinned to my top of my X page, I think it's further on down now, but I put together a video about a minute 30, starting with President Trump and State of the Union saying he was gonna balance the federal budget and then the vice president and everybody on down some version of, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Now, one of the things I did, and we had it pinned to my top of my X page, I think it's further on down now, but I put together a video about a minute 30, starting with President Trump and State of the Union saying he was gonna balance the federal budget and then the vice president and everybody on down some version of, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

At the very end of the video, I asked, so are we willing to fix it? Right now, it doesn't appear we are, but I tend to insist that we do. So I'm going to dig my heels in. There's nothing that President Trump can do to pressure me. other than start work with me, acknowledge the numbers.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

At the very end of the video, I asked, so are we willing to fix it? Right now, it doesn't appear we are, but I tend to insist that we do. So I'm going to dig my heels in. There's nothing that President Trump can do to pressure me. other than start work with me, acknowledge the numbers.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I'm texting, they're probably annoyed with me, Bessent and Hassett and Russell all the time, saying, here's my viewpoint. What am I not getting right? So they know exactly what I'm thinking. They know exactly my concerns. They know exactly the numbers. I had a nice lunch with Scott Besson in the Treasury Department. I gave him my charts and graphs, all that kind of stuff.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I'm texting, they're probably annoyed with me, Bessent and Hassett and Russell all the time, saying, here's my viewpoint. What am I not getting right? So they know exactly what I'm thinking. They know exactly my concerns. They know exactly the numbers. I had a nice lunch with Scott Besson in the Treasury Department. I gave him my charts and graphs, all that kind of stuff.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

He asked for the electronic version of those so he could distribute those to the Treasury Department. So none of this should come as any surprise to anybody. And again, the ace I hold is I am going to force the numbers that we have to look at out in the public. To this point, we haven't discussed it.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

He asked for the electronic version of those so he could distribute those to the Treasury Department. So none of this should come as any surprise to anybody. And again, the ace I hold is I am going to force the numbers that we have to look at out in the public. To this point, we haven't discussed it.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I first focused on spending.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I first focused on spending.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

89.3 trillion, again, that represents government, right? That represents that power that's been corrupted. That represents the just unprecedented, other than World War II, increase in spending from 2019 of 58 to 60%. So if you can't deal with that,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

89.3 trillion, again, that represents government, right? That represents that power that's been corrupted. That represents the just unprecedented, other than World War II, increase in spending from 2019 of 58 to 60%. So if you can't deal with that,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

In my column, I pointed out our forefathers, the greatest generation, responsible leadership, entered World War II spending about 11.7 percent, ramped it up to 41 percent during the war. By 1948, they were down to 11.4 percent. So it's entirely possible, but you need leadership. I need the president of the United States. By the way, I've been in the White House with him.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

In my column, I pointed out our forefathers, the greatest generation, responsible leadership, entered World War II spending about 11.7 percent, ramped it up to 41 percent during the war. By 1948, they were down to 11.4 percent. So it's entirely possible, but you need leadership. I need the president of the United States. By the way, I've been in the White House with him.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I've shown him my charts and graphs. He goes, I love this. I love this. The House ought to love this. Has this been presented? No, Mr. President, let's go to the House, let's present this. He didn't do that. We need President Trump to embrace The reality that we are spending way too much money. He was elected to defeat the D state. You don't defeat it spending it by his levels.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I've shown him my charts and graphs. He goes, I love this. I love this. The House ought to love this. Has this been presented? No, Mr. President, let's go to the House, let's present this. He didn't do that. We need President Trump to embrace The reality that we are spending way too much money. He was elected to defeat the D state. You don't defeat it spending it by his levels.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

He needs to see the detail. Again, I think, you know, to be charitable, I think he's been so busy doing so many other wonderful things that I support. He hasn't focused on this. I'm going to force him to focus on this.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

He needs to see the detail. Again, I think, you know, to be charitable, I think he's been so busy doing so many other wonderful things that I support. He hasn't focused on this. I'm going to force him to focus on this.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Yeah, and again, I don't think the numbers are that complicated. It's like about $22 trillion of additional deficit spending. That's a rosy scenario. That's $2.2 trillion per year. Obama, he averaged about $900 billion in your deficit. Trump, before the pandemic, was about $800 billion. But Biden's up to almost $1.9 trillion average deficit. Clearly unsustainable.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Yeah, and again, I don't think the numbers are that complicated. It's like about $22 trillion of additional deficit spending. That's a rosy scenario. That's $2.2 trillion per year. Obama, he averaged about $900 billion in your deficit. Trump, before the pandemic, was about $800 billion. But Biden's up to almost $1.9 trillion average deficit. Clearly unsustainable.