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Senator Ron Johnson

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

The liberal candidate got 78% of Kamala Harris's vote. The conservative candidate got 62% of Donald Trump's vote. Even though we were all out there saying how important this is, if you don't want to see President Trump impeached by a Democrat-controlled Congress in the next Congress, you got to get out and support President Trump. That didn't resonate.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

The liberal candidate got 78% of Kamala Harris's vote. The conservative candidate got 62% of Donald Trump's vote. Even though we were all out there saying how important this is, if you don't want to see President Trump impeached by a Democrat-controlled Congress in the next Congress, you got to get out and support President Trump. That didn't resonate.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Again, 78% of Democrats came out, 62% of Republicans.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Again, 78% of Democrats came out, 62% of Republicans.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

No, I think the greatest danger at MAGA is it's really tied toward one individual. You know, Tea Party movement was tied toward the vision of America, freedom, you know, debt and deficit, not mortgage, our kids' future. I think that survived. I mean, they did a pretty good job of marginalizing Tea Party, but we're alive and well. We are the House Freedom Caucus.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

No, I think the greatest danger at MAGA is it's really tied toward one individual. You know, Tea Party movement was tied toward the vision of America, freedom, you know, debt and deficit, not mortgage, our kids' future. I think that survived. I mean, they did a pretty good job of marginalizing Tea Party, but we're alive and well. We are the House Freedom Caucus.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

We're the people that are gonna stop this until we just get a much better bill in the Senate. So we're still alive and well, but in terms of voters, I mean, the Tea Party pretty well merged with Republican Party. I'm not sure all the mega voters are just disgusted by the whole process, as am I. And they're much more likely to sit on the couch unless their guy is on the ballot.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

We're the people that are gonna stop this until we just get a much better bill in the Senate. So we're still alive and well, but in terms of voters, I mean, the Tea Party pretty well merged with Republican Party. I'm not sure all the mega voters are just disgusted by the whole process, as am I. And they're much more likely to sit on the couch unless their guy is on the ballot.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

No, I'm not sure you are off at all. No, I think we may have already passed that hinge point. That's my concern. I mean, people ask me, are you optimistic? No, I'm a pessimist. I'm looking around. That is the death knell of a democracy or a republic when a majority of the voters realize, hey, I can vote myself benefits. Don't worry about the debt and deficit. We can print money.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

No, I'm not sure you are off at all. No, I think we may have already passed that hinge point. That's my concern. I mean, people ask me, are you optimistic? No, I'm a pessimist. I'm looking around. That is the death knell of a democracy or a republic when a majority of the voters realize, hey, I can vote myself benefits. Don't worry about the debt and deficit. We can print money.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Well, the data that backs us up is, and I wrote this in my Wall Street Journal column, 1930, the federal government spent about 3.5% of our GDP. 3.5. State and local governments were about 9.1. That was the foundational premise of America. Government close to government, where it's more effective, more efficient, more accountable. Now we're spending close to 24%, the federal level.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Well, the data that backs us up is, and I wrote this in my Wall Street Journal column, 1930, the federal government spent about 3.5% of our GDP. 3.5. State and local governments were about 9.1. That was the foundational premise of America. Government close to government, where it's more effective, more efficient, more accountable. Now we're spending close to 24%, the federal level.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

States are probably somewhere 12 to 15, haven't looked that recent. And as Lord Acton pointed out, power corrupts. Government is power. That is really the definition of government is power. So it gets corrupted and it's been corrupted. And I don't know. You know, I fear we're past the point of no return. Why did I run again for a third term?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

States are probably somewhere 12 to 15, haven't looked that recent. And as Lord Acton pointed out, power corrupts. Government is power. That is really the definition of government is power. So it gets corrupted and it's been corrupted. And I don't know. You know, I fear we're past the point of no return. Why did I run again for a third term?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

As disgusted as I am in this process, I couldn't turn my back on this country. I can't give up on it. I'm not overly optimistic. And again, it's not just the as government grows, your freedom recedes. As government grows, you get more and more people dependent on it. Well, that's right. And they're not doing things productive. You don't have a vibrant economy.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

As disgusted as I am in this process, I couldn't turn my back on this country. I can't give up on it. I'm not overly optimistic. And again, it's not just the as government grows, your freedom recedes. As government grows, you get more and more people dependent on it. Well, that's right. And they're not doing things productive. You don't have a vibrant economy.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I think Rand Paul is pretty much a hard no, regardless. Now, again, I don't think you get a good enough bill where he'd vote yes. My other allies for sure in this thing are Mike Lee and Rick Scott. Each one of us has our own thoughts, may accept something different than the others. I'm pretty well dug in, but I'm reasonable. You give me something that

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

I think Rand Paul is pretty much a hard no, regardless. Now, again, I don't think you get a good enough bill where he'd vote yes. My other allies for sure in this thing are Mike Lee and Rick Scott. Each one of us has our own thoughts, may accept something different than the others. I'm pretty well dug in, but I'm reasonable. You give me something that

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

like I say, commits to getting to a pre-pandemic global spending and a process to achieve and maintain it, I'll work with you.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

like I say, commits to getting to a pre-pandemic global spending and a process to achieve and maintain it, I'll work with you.