Sergey Levine

So...

I like thinking about it this way because it kind of simplifies things.

It tells us that the key is not necessarily to do really good simulation.

The key is to figure out how to answer counterfactuals.

That's cool.

So you're basically saying, like, how much concrete should I buy now to build a data center so that by 2030 I can power all the robots?

Yeah, yeah.

That is a more ambitious way of thinking about it than has occurred to me.

But it's a cool question.

I mean, the good thing, of course, is that the robots can help you build that stuff.

I mean in principle quite a lot, right?

I think that –

We have a tendency sometimes to think about robots as like mechanical people, but that's not the case, right?

Like people are people and robots are robots.

Like the better analogy for the robot, it's like your car or a bulldozer.

Like it has much lower maintenance requirements.

You can put them into all sorts of weird places and they don't have to look like people at all.

You can make a robot that's, you know, 100 feet tall.

You can make a robot that's tiny.

So I think that if you have the intelligence to power