Seth Berkley

But vaccines really were the big thing that have driven that down.

And now here in the U.S., it's about five per thousand, you know, gone from 350, 350 deaths per thousand to five per thousand.

But the best places in the world are around 0.9 per thousand.

And as a society, what we should be doing is making no parent have to lose a child or have a child with, you know, disabilities because of infections that we can prevent.

And so, again, I just don't understand the logic on the routine side as well, not just on the—

pandemic side of demonizing MMR vaccines, of, you know, pulling away from existing antigens, of talking about not, you know, not giving them in the recommended dose schedules.

These are all things that are going to have an effect.

And by the way, if the rest of the world has these diseases raging because we've caught our, you know, development aid,

then that increased the risks of importations back in the U.S.

I mean, the U.S.

has eliminated measles, 2,000, eliminated measles.

The big outbreak we have now, the largest since 2000, because somebody brought it back in.

And if we now have polio running wildly and measles and diphtheria and pertussis, that is going to come back and have an effect on us.

So we ought to do it because it's the right thing, but we ought to do it for self-protection as well.

It's not helpful because, you know, I care so much about the world and the effects right now on the world are so dramatic.

I mean, you know, the fact that the U.S.

walked away from funding Gavi because of some crazy conspiracy theory, not for any valid reason.

you know, there's going to be 75 million less kids vaccinated and it's estimated to be another 1.2 million kids may die from this.

I mean, again, is that what we should be doing?

So, yes, there is the rule of law in Switzerland.