Seth Berkley

It will happen.

We're overdue for it.

And again, the same preparations are going to need to be there to make vaccines quickly, to have distribution system, to have surveillance systems.

So we should be preparing for that.

And instead, we're just pulling away from it, which seems just stupid.

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, you know, you got to keep moving forward.

And so, you know, I'm prophetizing for people to understand why this is important and to ultimately make changes.

Because at the end, if we had one of these worse pandemics, and by the way, I believe we're entering an era of poly epidemics.

Why do I believe that?

We've got still increasing populations worldwide.

I know that's going to slow down, but we've also got, you know, intense urbanization.

We've got climate change refugees that are moving.

We're going to have climate disasters.

We're having vectors of disease that are now moving into new areas.

So we're going to see more and more outbreaks and pandemics, you know, in the future.

And therefore, this stuff becomes even more important than it was before.

And

And, you know, the other thing about this, Eric, is if you go back in time, the natural death rate without any interventions is about 350 per thousand children.

That's what it was back before we had all these interventions.

And, you know, clean water and sanitation made a big difference, better housing, a bunch of things.