Seth Lieberman

You know, this is, again, David over at Drift.

This is other folks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So if you're going to go big, go big, right?

Like once, you know, if you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound of VCs a little bit, right?

The other model is, say, we're never going to raise any money.

right?

We're going to bootstrap the whole thing.

Maybe we have a little bit of angel money, right?

Because sometimes people have no access to capital if you're young and you're starting out, but we're going to bootstrap the whole thing.

We're going to grow slower.

We're going to be constrained.

We're going to have to make hard choices to be more painful.

And at the end of the day, we may end up with a smaller company and it may even be worth less, but we may end up with more money as individuals, right?

we may end up with a better outcome.

We have more flexibility to sell it, whatever.

So I think it's interesting.

When I started my first company in the late 90s, we had a line item for Oracle's database.

We had a line item for servers in racks co-location, right?

Like you had to...