Shamita Basu

Mm hmm.

Yeah, that's right.

This was pre Doge days.

Elon Musk, not yet in the Trump administration, but he did show up on the ground and had had donated some cyber trucks and Starlink units, satellite units.

Yeah.

Well, one year later now, it's clear Governor Newsom and President Trump still don't see eye to eye on a lot of this.

Certainly on federal aid and a lot of recovery related efforts.

Can you tell me the latest on their relationship and what is still in contest?

I mean, Governor Newsom has talked about efforts that he's making.

He's rolling back certain building-related codes that have historically gummed up the process of getting building done faster and moving faster.

What has been the upshot of those kinds of moves?

Yeah.

Well, what are people talking about amongst themselves as you've spoken to residents, people who are considering their next move?

What do they talk about having lost in all of this?

What do they talk about wanting to preserve in all of this?

Yeah.

I mean, in some ways, this is a story about climate change, about the present realities of climate change, not just the future of climate change.

But there are so many other factors that you've brought up here just in our conversation today.

The politics, the population growth, the fact that these were really very populous areas, the way that disaster communication worked and didn't work for people.

Can you help me understand sort of all these different factors and where we are today in mitigating them?