Shamita Basu

Say more about that.

What are some of the positive developments that you've seen?

Yeah.

Tell me what you take away from all of this.

I mean, you didn't just approach this like it was your assignment for the day or the week or even a couple months.

You dug all the way in, as you do often with the topics that you take dear to heart.

Well, Jake, thank you so much for your time.

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Hey there, it's Shamita here.

Our team is taking a break over the holidays.

So while we're away, we wanted to share an audience favorite from earlier this year.

This was actually our most listened to episode of In Conversation for 2025.

I know it stuck with me.

I hope you enjoy it.

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I'm Shamita Basu.

Today, the undercover FBI agent who infiltrated America's new Nazi groups.

If you've ever seen photos of modern day militia groups or white supremacist groups, you've probably noticed some common themes among the members.