Shamita Basu

He is someone who has expressed a lot of distrust toward a lot of these institutions, some of which he now leads.

We're already talking about solutions in a way, but you do lay out some of the solutions that you think of in the book that would make it less likely, at least for a company like J&J, to behave the way that it has.

Could you lay out some of those solutions?

Gardner, thank you so much for your time.

Thank you for this investigation.

It was really a pleasure to have you on to talk about this.

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Today, how one of the world's wealthiest families is changing Hollywood.

Right now, some of the most valuable movies and TV shows ever made are at the center of an ownership battle.

Two companies, Paramount Skydance and Netflix, are fighting for control of Warner Brothers Discovery, the studio that owns HBO, CNN, and a trove of classic films.

It's just the latest sign that consolidations are reshaping Hollywood, changing what we watch, how we watch it, and how much we pay.

That's Reeves Weideman, a features writer for New York Magazine.

He recently profiled David Ellison, the CEO of Paramount Skydance and one of the key players in this fight for a huge piece of the media landscape.

David is also the son of Larry Ellison, co-founder and longtime CEO of the tech company Oracle and one of the richest people in the world.