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Shane Harris

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Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But there are also DOD regulations about not putting classified information on an unclassified system, as clearly happened here as well. So you've got... couple laws, maybe two or three laws, provisions of those laws and regulations that this activity would seem to violate.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But there are also DOD regulations about not putting classified information on an unclassified system, as clearly happened here as well. So you've got... couple laws, maybe two or three laws, provisions of those laws and regulations that this activity would seem to violate.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

My faults could just call you.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

My faults could just call you.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

My faults could just call you.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

I think there's that aspect too, which, I mean, there is a little bit of a who among us, right? We've all done this. I mean, not about planning a war, but we know what this is like and how embarrassing and unintentional it can actually be. But what I do think this shows is a level of recklessness.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

I think there's that aspect too, which, I mean, there is a little bit of a who among us, right? We've all done this. I mean, not about planning a war, but we know what this is like and how embarrassing and unintentional it can actually be. But what I do think this shows is a level of recklessness.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

I think there's that aspect too, which, I mean, there is a little bit of a who among us, right? We've all done this. I mean, not about planning a war, but we know what this is like and how embarrassing and unintentional it can actually be. But what I do think this shows is a level of recklessness.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

There's just no world in which a reasonable person serving these positions would think it's okay to discuss this kind of active operation, I think, in this way. Now, there may be people who would challenge me on that, and there may be people who would say, listen, it's not as bad as it looks. They weren't getting into totally the operational weeds, even though I think they actually were.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

There's just no world in which a reasonable person serving these positions would think it's okay to discuss this kind of active operation, I think, in this way. Now, there may be people who would challenge me on that, and there may be people who would say, listen, it's not as bad as it looks. They weren't getting into totally the operational weeds, even though I think they actually were.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

There's just no world in which a reasonable person serving these positions would think it's okay to discuss this kind of active operation, I think, in this way. Now, there may be people who would challenge me on that, and there may be people who would say, listen, it's not as bad as it looks. They weren't getting into totally the operational weeds, even though I think they actually were.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

You could make excuses for that. But just as a judgment matter – This was a bad one. It was a bad call, I think, to use Signal in this way. It's not approved for this way. And you can see why it was such a bad call because a horrible accident like this from their perspective can happen.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

You could make excuses for that. But just as a judgment matter – This was a bad one. It was a bad call, I think, to use Signal in this way. It's not approved for this way. And you can see why it was such a bad call because a horrible accident like this from their perspective can happen.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

You could make excuses for that. But just as a judgment matter – This was a bad one. It was a bad call, I think, to use Signal in this way. It's not approved for this way. And you can see why it was such a bad call because a horrible accident like this from their perspective can happen.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But what I also think it reveals, too, and this is important to the policy debate, is there is not agreement in the administration over whether they're doing the right thing with this action. There is widespread agreement, it seems, that they should make the Europeans try to pay for this military action because it's mostly European goods that are moving through this part of the world.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But what I also think it reveals, too, and this is important to the policy debate, is there is not agreement in the administration over whether they're doing the right thing with this action. There is widespread agreement, it seems, that they should make the Europeans try to pay for this military action because it's mostly European goods that are moving through this part of the world.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But what I also think it reveals, too, and this is important to the policy debate, is there is not agreement in the administration over whether they're doing the right thing with this action. There is widespread agreement, it seems, that they should make the Europeans try to pay for this military action because it's mostly European goods that are moving through this part of the world.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But when the vice president comes out and says, I disagree, and I don't think that the president understands the implications for this and how it will affect his foreign policy, that's quite striking. And you see in the messages how they're referring back to previous meetings that they had where it seemed to some people in the room like this issue was settled, but apparently it wasn't.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But when the vice president comes out and says, I disagree, and I don't think that the president understands the implications for this and how it will affect his foreign policy, that's quite striking. And you see in the messages how they're referring back to previous meetings that they had where it seemed to some people in the room like this issue was settled, but apparently it wasn't.

Radio Atlantic
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Our Editor Their War Plans

But when the vice president comes out and says, I disagree, and I don't think that the president understands the implications for this and how it will affect his foreign policy, that's quite striking. And you see in the messages how they're referring back to previous meetings that they had where it seemed to some people in the room like this issue was settled, but apparently it wasn't.