Shanna H. Swan

And you were actually very influential in my life.

So that's fantastic, and it's what we are seeing in the film and so on.

I want to just make a small point, which is microplastics and plastics and plasticizers are not identical, right?

Okay.

Right?

So microplastics are a relatively newcomer to the scene.

because we've had plastics since 1950, right?

Microplastics have been there but not recognized until relatively recently.

And actually measuring them in our bodies is much harder than measuring the plasticizers, which are the chemicals that are put in plastic to give them the various properties that they have.

Phthalates.

Phthalates is one.

Bisphenol A is another.

And so on.

So there are other, you know...

And by the way,

Well, we'll come back to that later.

So, yes, we can measure those.

But measuring microplastics, particularly if we're going to go into your brain or into your testicles, you know, into a woman's placenta, obviously that's much more difficult.

So they're not the same.

But the microplastics, what they are is the actual pieces of plastic that carry the plasticizers along with them.