Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Great to see you again.
Great to see you, Joe. Happy to be here.
Happy to have you here. So you've got a documentary about the – essentially about the same subject that you talked about last time you were here, the impact of microplastics and all these various endocrine-disrupting chemicals that we're dealing with.
Right.
Right?
Right.
Tell me about it.
Well, it started as a movie on plastic. And when I met Louis and he filmed me in New York about five years ago also, it wasn't the small study that we have today. But let me backtrack because I want to tell you something that I never told you but was so important to me.
So you remember when I was here, you said, are you saying that toxins in the environment are threatening the survival of the human race?
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Chapter 2: What is the Action Science Initiative and its purpose?
Yeah, from the paper cups that are lined with, for example, bisphenols. But the coffee itself is made in a—most coffee makers contain a lot of plastic also. So it comes in both the cups and in the device that's making the coffee.
That's why we use metal and just make a French press. I do that at home, too. I got rid of my plastic coffee machine.
Me, too.
I was thinking about it. I was like, why am I pouring hot water into this plastic thing that can't be good?
Yay!
Yeah. It doesn't taste as good.
You're learning.
You're learning. French press tastes better anyway.
So here's my suggestion. If you're willing to do this. I am willing to do this. You are.
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Chapter 3: How do microplastics impact human health?
Plasticizers, all these various chemicals that are endocrine disruptors that are ubiquitous in the modern world.
Yes, unfortunately.
It's crazy.
And by the way, not the women. Let me say something. We didn't talk about the women last time very much, right?
A little bit, we did. A little, yeah. I think we did.
So the women need testosterone, too, you know, for sexual arousal and libido and so on, and muscle. And our study, a study for future families, I think, or maybe... Yeah. We got the urine. We saw how much phthalates were in their urine. And then we asked them some questions about their sexual experience. So how satisfied were they with their sexual life and frequency?
And the women who had higher levels of phthalates had less satisfaction and lower frequency. So it's not just the men.
Completely makes sense.
Everyone needs testosterone.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of endocrine disruptors on fertility?
People don't think about that. But our reproduction numbers were not reproduced. Yeah, they're down quite a bit. And they're not at the level that we need in order to keep our population.
It's the, you know, the normal shape of the population is like this, right? So this is up here, not very many people, and down here, lots and lots of people.
And this is terms of age, older, younger at the bottom. And it's like going like this. Right.
Lots of people are living longer, but fewer down here. And then what that means is the ones down here are supposed to support the ones up here.
But there's not enough of them. Right. Yeah.
So it's a huge societal problem.
Well, it's just so confusing how few people are even aware of this. We were talking. I didn't realize it had been five years since our last podcast, which is pretty crazy. But in that five years. You barely hear about it. It's occasional. People bring up certain chemicals they think are bad. Oh, avoid this.
Paul Saladino was the one that showed that the paper cups that you get from a coffee shop, that if you take that paper away, what you have is essentially this plastic membrane. And that's what you're drinking your coffee out of. You're not drinking your coffee out of paper. And how terrible these things are for you. But even that, it's like people just dismiss it.
The line around Starbucks is always the same. There's always people going to get their coffee. They don't think anything of it. And they're just consuming these chemicals that mess up your health, mess up your vitality, your energy levels, everything, brain fog.
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Chapter 5: What are some healthier alternatives for food storage?
Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. There's one of many companies that makes.
So this is essentially like a Ziploc bag. Exactly. But it's way thicker.
Yeah.
Kind of cool. And so they make these larger as well? Yeah. Okay.
There are a lot of good alternatives for food storage. You know, glass, of course, is really good. Mm-hmm. And ceramic is really good.
Well, this seems so much better, too, because it's not creating as much plastic waste since it's reusable. Right, right, right. Now, do you just run this through a dishwasher? Now, what about dishwashing solvents and detergents and stuff like that?
There's always problems. The world's filled with problems, Jamie. The pods are probably not great.
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Chapter 6: How does sous vide cooking affect food safety?
Oh, right. Of course, right? Damn pods.
Pods, tea bags, coffee pods.
Remember when kids were eating Tide Pods? It's like nature's trying to get rid of some of the dummies. Okay.
So this company— I think there's two of those in there.
Yeah.
These are just little examples, you know.
Let's give this company a shout-out. It's called Zip Top. And I guess they make them all sizes. This is like sandwich size. Yeah. This is, I guess, a snack size. And they make them larger, too.
Yeah, and they seal well, you know.
That's another question that I had. About sous vide. There's a lot of people that cook their food in these sous vide machines.
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Chapter 7: What are the dangers of eating fish from freshwater lakes?
Yeah.
And so a lot of people like that. And it's really good for breaking down some of the harder stuff like, you know, the fascia.
Gristle. Yeah.
So is that stuff leaking chemicals into your food? It has to be, right?
Why?
Well, because it's in plastic. You're getting these vacuum-sealed plastic bags that the food goes in. Have you seen how sous vide works?
Do you have to put it in plastic?
Yes. Have you seen how these sous vide things work?
No, then it's bad. Then it sounds just as bad as microwaving in plastic.
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Chapter 8: How can individuals take action against plastic pollution?
Silicone-based sous vide bags are generally considered safe for food use and do not significantly leach harm for chemicals under typical cooking conditions. High-quality food-grade silicone is inert, BPA-free. This is silicone, though. Food-grade silicone shows minimal chemical migration, such as siloxanes, especially compared to plastics that release microplastics like BPA.
This is a silicone, though. What was the question that you asked? How did you phrase it?
Well, you were asking about sous vide bags.
Okay, you write silicone-based sous vide bags. Not silicone-based, just like plastic sous vide bags.
Well, you know they're going to leak stuff.
Let's find out. Regular plastic sous vide bags. Let's see what it says. I don't know. Right. But I want to make sure that it's vacuum sealed sous vide bags.
It should know that we're talking about sous vide bags here.
Regular plastic bags can be reasonably, I don't like that word, safe for sous vide if you use the right kind, food grade, BPA, and phthalate free, and rated for hot food. But all plastics can leak some chemicals, and the data specific to sous vide is still limited. What regular bags are safe? Look for bags made with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are labeled food grade and microwave safe.
Is there a plastic that's microwave safe, though? Is that real? Yeah, these are considered safe with food up to around 190 to 195 Fahrenheit. Most brands' zipper bags, Ziploc Glad, are polyethylene BPA and dioxin-free and are commonly used for sous vide at typical temperatures below 176 degrees.
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