Shanna H. Swan

And then there's the work that the EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us.

For example, I think I might have said this before, but just so in Europe, if you're going to put a new chemical into commerce, it has to pass certain tests to be safe.

So we're it's the testing is on you and me and everyone listening.

And I mean, we haven't really raised our hand and volunteer for that.

Well, some of them have.

You know, there are lawsuits.

I don't know where the lawsuits are.

I might at some point get involved in that.

But at this point, I don't know.

But I know there are lawsuits and that they can be effective way to push back.

And by the way, you said we wouldn't get a federal law.

And I think that's not for a long time.

But states can do it.

California, for example, is doing lots of good stuff on that.

I can't name you the laws, but I know they're very active.

The...

Bonta, Ron Bonta, he's a district attorney, attorney general of the state of California.

He's very active.

And so the states that have active pushback are able to get laws passed.

That kind of sets the tone for what's possible.