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Shannon Bond

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The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

Similarly, this idea of like reporting in five things you accomplished last week, you know, that is something he has implemented at his companies. Even the title of that email, what did you do last week? That is something that he had famously texted to the then CEO of Twitter, like when he was basically making the decision to buy the company and try to kick out current management.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

Similarly, this idea of like reporting in five things you accomplished last week, you know, that is something he has implemented at his companies. Even the title of that email, what did you do last week? That is something that he had famously texted to the then CEO of Twitter, like when he was basically making the decision to buy the company and try to kick out current management.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

Similarly, this idea of like reporting in five things you accomplished last week, you know, that is something he has implemented at his companies. Even the title of that email, what did you do last week? That is something that he had famously texted to the then CEO of Twitter, like when he was basically making the decision to buy the company and try to kick out current management.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And we're seeing again and again, he's bringing this playbook in from his businesses that, you know, I think to his mind has been successful in the past, right? Yeah. And I think what that tells us very much is – and we've talked about this before, right? He – Musk sees the government, you know, as not really any different from a corporation. He's talked about this.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And we're seeing again and again, he's bringing this playbook in from his businesses that, you know, I think to his mind has been successful in the past, right? Yeah. And I think what that tells us very much is – and we've talked about this before, right? He – Musk sees the government, you know, as not really any different from a corporation. He's talked about this.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And we're seeing again and again, he's bringing this playbook in from his businesses that, you know, I think to his mind has been successful in the past, right? Yeah. And I think what that tells us very much is – and we've talked about this before, right? He – Musk sees the government, you know, as not really any different from a corporation. He's talked about this.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

He's called it America Incorporated. And it needs to have a corporate restructuring. And he's very much going about it the way he would, you know, if you were the, you know, pretty independently powerful CEO of a large company where you can say, yeah, I'm going to fire wide swaths of people.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

He's called it America Incorporated. And it needs to have a corporate restructuring. And he's very much going about it the way he would, you know, if you were the, you know, pretty independently powerful CEO of a large company where you can say, yeah, I'm going to fire wide swaths of people.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

He's called it America Incorporated. And it needs to have a corporate restructuring. And he's very much going about it the way he would, you know, if you were the, you know, pretty independently powerful CEO of a large company where you can say, yeah, I'm going to fire wide swaths of people.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

I mean, this is also played out in the same way at Twitter, where Twitter fired people and then had to rehire them, right? Because they actually found out some of them were doing jobs that the company needed. But part of the reason we're seeing kind of so much like confusion and disruption and pushback is that like the problem is fundamentally the government is not a corporation.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

I mean, this is also played out in the same way at Twitter, where Twitter fired people and then had to rehire them, right? Because they actually found out some of them were doing jobs that the company needed. But part of the reason we're seeing kind of so much like confusion and disruption and pushback is that like the problem is fundamentally the government is not a corporation.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

I mean, this is also played out in the same way at Twitter, where Twitter fired people and then had to rehire them, right? Because they actually found out some of them were doing jobs that the company needed. But part of the reason we're seeing kind of so much like confusion and disruption and pushback is that like the problem is fundamentally the government is not a corporation.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And so, yes, if you were going to do large scale reductions in force, like there are actual legal channels you need to follow. There are requirements over things like preference to people who have veteran status or people with disabilities. Like there are things that exist in the government world that may not exist in the corporate world.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And so, yes, if you were going to do large scale reductions in force, like there are actual legal channels you need to follow. There are requirements over things like preference to people who have veteran status or people with disabilities. Like there are things that exist in the government world that may not exist in the corporate world.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And so, yes, if you were going to do large scale reductions in force, like there are actual legal channels you need to follow. There are requirements over things like preference to people who have veteran status or people with disabilities. Like there are things that exist in the government world that may not exist in the corporate world.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And I think that's where we're seeing so many of these clashes. But it is really kind of this like very differing kind of view of what the purpose of government is and really different value system. I think that we're seeing Musk bring in that I think is causing just so much of this like confusion and drama and like honestly heartache for a lot of the workers that we're talking to.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And I think that's where we're seeing so many of these clashes. But it is really kind of this like very differing kind of view of what the purpose of government is and really different value system. I think that we're seeing Musk bring in that I think is causing just so much of this like confusion and drama and like honestly heartache for a lot of the workers that we're talking to.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

And I think that's where we're seeing so many of these clashes. But it is really kind of this like very differing kind of view of what the purpose of government is and really different value system. I think that we're seeing Musk bring in that I think is causing just so much of this like confusion and drama and like honestly heartache for a lot of the workers that we're talking to.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

I think that's all true. And I think what's also really important to think about is in the meantime, like Sue, as you said, I mean, he is clearly effectively running this, right? Like he says this email is going to go out. The email goes out. He says people are going to get fired. You know, the agencies say, well, maybe not. But like, I don't know.

The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers

I think that's all true. And I think what's also really important to think about is in the meantime, like Sue, as you said, I mean, he is clearly effectively running this, right? Like he says this email is going to go out. The email goes out. He says people are going to get fired. You know, the agencies say, well, maybe not. But like, I don't know.