Sharay Punisher Hayes

That's her experience, right?

I was forced to do these things.

And we would hire some guy named the Punisher, right?

So the first thing you're gonna think, as soon as I heard my name, the Punisher, what was he doing?

And then if there's no footage to corroborate anybody's side, then it's just- He said, she said.

And whatever legal team could paint the ugliest picture.

Right.

So obviously the defense wanted to paint consent.

Prosecution wanted to paint force and coercion.

But if you look at, if you can see the sex and it's mild and cool or whatever, but if you can't see,

I think that makes it worse.

So back to what you were saying about men being a threat, I feel like we're in a space and time where every successful man should record just about every encounter he has.

You have to.

You have to.

A very, very long time ago, I went to this place called The Spy Store in New York City.

We're talking like late 90s.

And the guy was showing me this kind of like

clock radio.

It looked like every clock radio that was in the hotel at that time.

And you would just take it with you and plug it in and it recorded everything.