Shawn Johnson East

taking the joy and the purpose and the fruit of all the hard work we've put in so far and then backtracking and explaining how we got here.

And so I think to answer your question, we over the course of 10 years have had such a privilege of failing miserably at arguments and indecisiveness and business failures and

But we've had such the privilege of every time that's happened, we've tried to go find what we're used to, which is like a really good coach, a really good mentor, a really good therapist.

And we've tried to equip ourselves with all of these tools and this knowledge to be able to attack arguments and valleys better in any phase or category of life.

So the hardest part and my favorite part, and I think the answer to the question is...

We tried to take all of that wisdom that we've learned from other people, not that we've, you know, come up with ourselves, and put it into like a how-to and why in the book.

And we've actually dissected how we go about it, how we go about...

And implementing a new commitment and then sticking with it.

And when it gets really hard and we start fighting about it, what rhythms and routines we can put into place to kind of protect that and make that argument easier to get through.

And I mean, we've kind of gone down to the smallest example of we didn't like that our family was watching a lot of TV.

but we wanted to commit to not watching as much TV.

And then how do we actually make that happen?

And we even talked about how we took out a TV of our, we took out the main TV in our living room, like in our hosting space.

And we thought it was crazy and it caused an argument.

But then we looked back three weeks later and we're like, you know what?

Our kids aren't asking for it.

We're actually connecting more.

And there's like all of these little examples, but I think within our arguments in our marriage, um,

we've implemented an infrastructure of, you know what, this argument has gotten so heated over something so silly, let's go back to

kind of the tools that we've learned and start there and work our way to the agreement, I guess.