Shawn Ryan

There was there there was a pattern of, you know, fucking things up, sending shit off the rails and then and then having a job literally on the other side of that event.

Once I had, you know, once I dusted myself off and, you know.

Got back ready to work.

So, yeah.

So, but, you know, I think there's two sides to that.

That didn't mean I had to take those jobs, but it also didn't mean that they always had to be there.

Does that make any sense?

I kind of went completely around that.

Of course it can.

Of course it can, yeah.

And there's also this thing about not having to deal with a ton of failure at first.

There's a little piece in the book where I mentioned that they teach us as kids if at first –

You know, you don't succeed.

You try, try again.

If at first you do succeed, that's where that saying ends because it was never written.

It doesn't exist, you know.

And then it's like even talking about, you know, watching dad, you know, with with with his ascent to stardom and his brilliant career and then watching Emilio, it's.

I thought that I would have a handle on what that might feel like once – were I fortunate for it to happen to me as well, even on a smaller scale at just a fraction of what they'd achieved previously.

but there's no way to really prepare anyone for it.

There's no way to... I guess in some way it'd be like asking Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron what it actually feels like to hit a home run.