Shawn Ryan

Because hype will just go away at some point.

So I got a taste of the dark side with that.

But also seeing just a little bit more of the sociology of

Why do people like this like narrative of like a individual doing something cool?

And how does that fit into the fact that within our field, the people who write like popular science books are not necessarily ostracized, but it's just like, it's distance a bit.

And then it's hard to work with them.

So like, it's funny, the people that you see as the physicists publicly are like not the real physicists somehow.

And I don't, yeah, I think it's just funny politics almost or whatever, you know.

No, I don't.

No, I mean, I wish I did.

I wish I did.

No, I want to be for the sake of wanting to do well in my job.

I need to be, right?

I don't want to be above the radar as a physicist in the sense of like, I don't deserve attention as a physicist, right?

I wish that I did something cool enough where I felt like this wasn't complete, like whatever thing.

But I do think what I want is that there should be a way for, you know, the fact that

You know, people care about science.

It's good.

Like, how do you better kind of link together, like, the folks who are good at outreach or the folks who are lucky enough to have opportunities to have outreach and the research in a way that benefits the researchers best for, like, the physics?

And I'm excited for that being something that we can change now.