Shawn Ryan

basic set of rules that lead to that Y. And so I'm scared slightly that like, you know, if this field is stagnating because we're only individuals doing something and we can't make our field very modular as it is because it's just like historical precedent or whatever the number of people is.

that when somebody comes along and actually does have a result that's better than these things, is it like, oh, let's just put all our eggs in one basket now.

Like, this is the better bet.

And I think it should be a fun collaboration.

And I think that the nice thing now is that there are a lot of, some crossover is with people like spending sabbaticals at these big tech companies and some care about researchers is great.

But how do you make it so it's not just like, I think I like academia in a way, I don't know, it's institutions, right?

But

Can you try to use the fact that there is some value proposition or exchange there to try to drive innovation for, let's try to get the best product that can do theoretical physics well.

Maybe I'm using other people's products for it, not, fine.

If there's any IP or value in that, use that to help fund a field going forward instead of it being relying on taxpayers, whatever, for a very specific, small, highly purely theory thing.

Because...

there's value that can come from the engineering side of it.

So for example, when you build CERN or you build these other like big detectors, a lot of the time the value proposition isn't, okay, we're learning something about the laws of nature, which is cool.

But it's also that all of the engineering that's going to go into that is going to be super valuable.

Can you do that with theory?

And I think that now the answer is yes.

And maybe it's already being done in some sense, like when they're selling intelligence and they're getting like fundraising for those companies, maybe that is the pitch and that's what they're doing.

But

I find it fascinating to be kind of, I feel like we're back at this like moment when CERN helped invent the World Wide Web.

Like, can you, instead of like whining and begging, like, oh, we should have like had better structures that like endowed like a field or something like that.