Shawn Ryan

And I hated doing that, and I really have zero desire ever again to go ask people to cut me a check.

But you have to.

Like, you've gotta be a relentless fundraiser to make it in politics today.

And it's tough because there's so much money out there.

And this is like literally how our politicians end up getting bought.

Like, if they don't take the check, then the other guy, their competitor, is gonna take the check.

And so that's what a lot of it comes down to.

And I'd much rather stay in the national security realm where I think I can contribute more anyways than ever have to go beg donors for money ever again.

How do we solve the APEC problem?

I think we need heavy legislation and regulation on...

the ability for foreign governments to come in, and even using cutouts.

Because AIPAC will say, no, no, no, this isn't affiliated with Israel.

These are Americans who support Israel.

And that, I think, by and large is true.

But they're advocating for policies that just support a foreign government.

So there's got to be some regulation on foreign agents.

There's got to be some regulation on having political fundraising packs and mechanisms that just support the agenda of a foreign country.

What that is, I don't exactly know.

Yeah.

I don't think it changes much.