Shawn Ryan

You try, try again.

If at first you do succeed, that's where that saying ends because it was never written.

It doesn't exist, you know.

And then it's like even talking about, you know, watching dad, you know, with with with his ascent to stardom and his brilliant career and then watching Emilio, it's.

I thought that I would have a handle on what that might feel like once – were I fortunate for it to happen to me as well, even on a smaller scale at just a fraction of what they'd achieved previously.

but there's no way to really prepare anyone for it.

There's no way to... I guess in some way it'd be like asking Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron what it actually feels like to hit a home run.

They can describe the mechanics of it, but they can't really ever put you inside a moment that you have to inhabit to truly own that experience.

And so...

watching it and then living it was a whole different reality.

But then it's nice to have people you can check in with and say, hey, okay, so this happened with the thing, and then I saw how you dealt with that, and then any recommendations, any ideas.

But even the advice sometimes, it's well-intentioned, but that doesn't mean that it's going to be useful sometimes.

And I don't mean that dismissively, just that, you know, giving people advice for things that they have to experience.

Yeah, doesn't work.

Is that making sense?

Sure.

It's pretty close to a waste of time.

That's brilliant.

But isn't it interesting?

In the book, there's those early examples of that he was the voice of advice that I would seek.