Shay Banon

And we felt like we had to go and do something about it.

And we felt like we had to go and do something about it.

Yes. And until you understand the complexity of going through the legal process, if that makes sense. So I think there's two aspects to it. I think the first part is if you go back to open source and I'm relatively old school open source, a big part of building an open source software was registering a trademark and owning it, right? It's like Red Hat did it and others. And

Yes. And until you understand the complexity of going through the legal process, if that makes sense. So I think there's two aspects to it. I think the first part is if you go back to open source and I'm relatively old school open source, a big part of building an open source software was registering a trademark and owning it, right? It's like Red Hat did it and others. And

The first thing that I did even before I released Elasticsearch was take a loan and register Elasticsearch trademark. And I don't know if you know, but there's many different types of trademark, but I actually registered two types of trademark, one for downloadable software and one for software as a service.

The first thing that I did even before I released Elasticsearch was take a loan and register Elasticsearch trademark. And I don't know if you know, but there's many different types of trademark, but I actually registered two types of trademark, one for downloadable software and one for software as a service.

So even back then, I wanted to make sure that when we build or someone builds Elastris as a service, it doesn't get confused. And at least for a while, people respected trademarks, you know, Apache and Red Hat. And that was like a wonderful protection because you could go and fork the project. You can do and do all of these things, but it's just different from that point on.

So even back then, I wanted to make sure that when we build or someone builds Elastris as a service, it doesn't get confused. And at least for a while, people respected trademarks, you know, Apache and Red Hat. And that was like a wonderful protection because you could go and fork the project. You can do and do all of these things, but it's just different from that point on.

It's a different project. I think cloud changed the game. And I think because Elasticsearch was so popular and Elasticsearch was one of the first services that Amazon decided to take and provide, I don't know. I'd like to think the best of people and afterwards try to figure out why not. I think they just took Elasticsearch and said, we'll call it Amazon Elasticsearch.

It's a different project. I think cloud changed the game. And I think because Elasticsearch was so popular and Elasticsearch was one of the first services that Amazon decided to take and provide, I don't know. I'd like to think the best of people and afterwards try to figure out why not. I think they just took Elasticsearch and said, we'll call it Amazon Elasticsearch.

Maybe they didn't have experience with open source. They didn't have experience with this type of things. You know, naively, some product manager takes a product, provides it as a service, and that's the name. Right. And I think that you can see that they learn after that, right? Because when they took other open source projects, they called them differently.

Maybe they didn't have experience with open source. They didn't have experience with this type of things. You know, naively, some product manager takes a product, provides it as a service, and that's the name. Right. And I think that you can see that they learn after that, right? Because when they took other open source projects, they called them differently.

They call it ElastiCache and they call it Amazon Managed Service for Kafka versus Amazon Kafka and things along those lines, right? But Elasticsearch was one of the first ones and that name stuck. And that part, I don't know, for whatever reason, Amazon just refused to change the name, regardless of how much we try to talk to them and try to process through it. And you'll have to ask them why.

They call it ElastiCache and they call it Amazon Managed Service for Kafka versus Amazon Kafka and things along those lines, right? But Elasticsearch was one of the first ones and that name stuck. And that part, I don't know, for whatever reason, Amazon just refused to change the name, regardless of how much we try to talk to them and try to process through it. And you'll have to ask them why.

And basically it was kind of like the answer is I'll see you in court. And people think, oh, you're a big company and you have lawyers and you can pay for it and go through the process and whatever. But it's exhausting. You have to give testimonials and you have to do this. And it's like at least a few years of process. And, you know, it's like maybe it gets resolved.

And basically it was kind of like the answer is I'll see you in court. And people think, oh, you're a big company and you have lawyers and you can pay for it and go through the process and whatever. But it's exhausting. You have to give testimonials and you have to do this. And it's like at least a few years of process. And, you know, it's like maybe it gets resolved.

And we ended up resolving the trademark infringement. By the way, thanks to the fork because it made it really easy. But it just takes a long time and it takes a lot of time. attention. And it just, it never felt right to me. I want to be focused on building great products, not, not like doing lawyery stuff, if that makes sense.

And we ended up resolving the trademark infringement. By the way, thanks to the fork because it made it really easy. But it just takes a long time and it takes a lot of time. attention. And it just, it never felt right to me. I want to be focused on building great products, not, not like doing lawyery stuff, if that makes sense.

Definitely. I mean, like any good open source community member, I've spent a lot of time thinking about licenses since 2005 and LGPL and Apache and the difference between GPL and Apache, even within the open source licensing world.

Definitely. I mean, like any good open source community member, I've spent a lot of time thinking about licenses since 2005 and LGPL and Apache and the difference between GPL and Apache, even within the open source licensing world.