Shay Banon

Yeah, the fun stuff is to build products, to talk to users and figure out what their problem is and try to go and figure out how do you solve them or sometimes think slightly ahead of where they're heading and build it. Yeah, it's fun. That's where the fun is.

Yeah, the fun stuff is to build products, to talk to users and figure out what their problem is and try to go and figure out how do you solve them or sometimes think slightly ahead of where they're heading and build it. Yeah, it's fun. That's where the fun is.

Totally, potentially. But I think the thing is that... Elasticsearch was under the Apache license. Amazon was totally within their rights to take Elasticsearch and provide it as a service. That was never the issue. I think that sometimes companies have a problem with strip mining open source by cloud providers.

Totally, potentially. But I think the thing is that... Elasticsearch was under the Apache license. Amazon was totally within their rights to take Elasticsearch and provide it as a service. That was never the issue. I think that sometimes companies have a problem with strip mining open source by cloud providers.

There's that saying, and it's not fair to take open source software and provide it as a service. And then it's like, there's a company like Elastic that invests so much and And other companies that don't invest as much in the open source end up ripping the benefits of it. But to be honest, it's legal. It's like if you have an Apache license, then what they do is what they do.

There's that saying, and it's not fair to take open source software and provide it as a service. And then it's like, there's a company like Elastic that invests so much and And other companies that don't invest as much in the open source end up ripping the benefits of it. But to be honest, it's legal. It's like if you have an Apache license, then what they do is what they do.

And that's totally fair. The part that bugged us is just the confusion. It's like that's the thing that was really weird for us.

And that's totally fair. The part that bugged us is just the confusion. It's like that's the thing that was really weird for us.

And that's where the trademark comes in.

And that's where the trademark comes in.

They could have decided to. I think the world has changed. I do think that the early days of cloud were kind of like a bit hectic, if that makes sense. And I think norms have been established around which projects to use, which licenses are we going to use or not, what's the intent of the open source project, how to think about licenses. I wasn't worried about Amazon taking...

They could have decided to. I think the world has changed. I do think that the early days of cloud were kind of like a bit hectic, if that makes sense. And I think norms have been established around which projects to use, which licenses are we going to use or not, what's the intent of the open source project, how to think about licenses. I wasn't worried about Amazon taking...

Elasticsearch and breaking the license, if that makes sense. It was pretty obvious to us or to me specifically that Amazon would just decide to fork Elasticsearch, which was fine because a fork means a different name and then that name ends up slipping back into the Amazon service and then It's great. We compete. I love competing.

Elasticsearch and breaking the license, if that makes sense. It was pretty obvious to us or to me specifically that Amazon would just decide to fork Elasticsearch, which was fine because a fork means a different name and then that name ends up slipping back into the Amazon service and then It's great. We compete. I love competing.

Amazon had a cloud search product before Amazon Elasticsearch, and it was fun competing with it. It was based on Apache Solar. That's great. So yeah, if we can compete, I'd love to compete. It's just hard to compete with yourself. And it's hard to express how frustrating it is. You know what I mean? It's like you see in the forum, oh, Elasticsearch sucks. It doesn't run as well as it does.

Amazon had a cloud search product before Amazon Elasticsearch, and it was fun competing with it. It was based on Apache Solar. That's great. So yeah, if we can compete, I'd love to compete. It's just hard to compete with yourself. And it's hard to express how frustrating it is. You know what I mean? It's like you see in the forum, oh, Elasticsearch sucks. It doesn't run as well as it does.

And then you go, oh, it's running on Amazon Elasticsearch. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not what we built. It's not how we run it. It's not the expertise that we have when it comes to running the service, even at that level. So that was difficult. And yeah, we try to figure out how to solve it.

And then you go, oh, it's running on Amazon Elasticsearch. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not what we built. It's not how we run it. It's not the expertise that we have when it comes to running the service, even at that level. So that was difficult. And yeah, we try to figure out how to solve it.

It potentially could have been. I know that we tried a few years to try to resolve it outside of the court because nobody wants to go to court and get bogged down by it. When we were talking at least to our lawyers, it was going to be a multi-year effort.

It potentially could have been. I know that we tried a few years to try to resolve it outside of the court because nobody wants to go to court and get bogged down by it. When we were talking at least to our lawyers, it was going to be a multi-year effort.