Shayne Smith

It's insane.

It's insane to be like, thank you for sharing that very personal story about how you overcame torture.

Yeah.

Anyway, you are the worst.

You're like, what?

I didn't do anything.

I'm not even I'm not even there was no call to action.

And one million percent.

It's the same.

It's the it's the reason that so many people are so comfortable being agnostic is.

And when you talk to them privately, you get the sense, I don't know if you've ever talked to a lot of agnostic people.

I do quite a bit these days.

And I always get the sense that they like, they're very open to Jesus and like, yeah, Jesus is God for sure.

Like he's the guy, this is, I'm agnostic and Jesus is agnostic.

You know, like that's in their head.

But then if you try to have like a more public conversation, they kind of know I got to distance myself so I can be, I could be religious in the way that is socially acceptable.

Spiritual, not religious.

Spiritual, not religious.

But we are again, Catholicism, we're having a moment.

Christianity is having a moment and Catholicism is kind of like we're in the front carrying the flag.